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Kersey, A.J., Csumitta, K.D. & Cantlon, J.F. Gender similarities in the brain during mathematics development. npj Sci. Learn. 4, 19 (2019)

>We measured 3–10-year-old children’s neural development with functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) during naturalistic viewing of mathematics education videos. We implemented both frequentist and Bayesian analyses that quantify gender similarities and differences in neural processes.

>Across all analyses girls and boys showed significant gender similarities in neural functioning, indicating that boys and girls engage the same neural system during mathematics development.

So apparently, looking at fMRI, you can't distinguish males from females while they are learning math.

Can someone with a good understanding of the subject explain if there's anything misleading about this study?

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>>11128263
>We compared parts of kids brains lighting up on a screen

Wow, what a world changing breakthrough. This huge waste of money trash was probably just an excuse to look at naked girls cunny when getting into the MRI machine.I wouldn't be surprised if it was glowniggers who financed it to add to their stash.

>> No.11128288
Quoted By: >>11128538 >>11128690

>>11128278
youre an idiot

>>11128263
kids havent experienced puberty yet

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>>11128263
>same parts of the brain light up at the same time doing the same thing
>therefore their ability is the same
the problem with this study is it makes no regard to the structure of these neural connections which differ between men and women. yeah the same regions will be activated when doing the same task but that says nothing about the performance of cognition in those regions. just that cognition happens in the same regions of the brain for men and women. the methodology just exposes how retarded roasties are.

>> No.11128325
Quoted By: >>11128538

>>11128263
Neural differences are more pronounced in adolescence.

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Quoted By: >>11128580 >>11128596

>>11128288
>kids havent experienced puberty yet
>>11128325
>Neural differences are more pronounced in adolescence.
They admit as such in the discussion section of the article
>Although gender differences in STEM may emerge later in development or from interactions between STEM training and sexually dimorphic behaviors (e.g., differences in hormone levels following puberty), the findings of widespread gender similarities in boys’ and girls’ brains do not support claims of biological gender differences in childhood.
>Instead, the data show that the neural functions underlying mathematical cognition are similar between genders and represent one heterogeneous population rather than two categorical groups.
The thrust of the article is that theories of structural differences from birth are invalid, so the STEM performance differences must come from elsewhere.

>>11128297
>but that says nothing about the performance of cognition in those regions.
Actually they also compared the physical structure within those regions. Pic related. Did you even read the study?
>the methodology just exposes how retarded roasties are.
There is literally nothing wrong with collecting data to verify or falsify a theory.

>> No.11128580
Quoted By: >>11128619

>>11128538
>Actually they also compared the physical structure within those regions.
they didn't look at connectomes which are different. just the birds eye view.

>There is literally nothing wrong with collecting data to verify or falsify a theory.
sure but their methodology is garbage and doesn't even look at mathematical ability. it was watching math videos. not doing math which is about mathematical ability.

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>>11128538
>Actually they also compared the physical structure within those regions.
http://cogprints.org/10046/1/Delgiudice_etal_critique_joel_2015.pdf
the last time a feminist researcher attempted this and their methodology was retested it couldn't tell species apart.

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Quoted By: >>11128630

>>11128297
>penn state connectome study
The thing about that study is only a small percentage of the sample featured noticeable differences; the vast majority had average levels of connectivity either way.
See pic, graphs of interest outlined in red. Compare that to, for example, graph (a) to see what significant gender differences actually look like.
Source http://amygdala.psychdept.arizona.edu/labspace/JclubLabMeetings/Blaine-Maney%202016.pdf

>>11128580
>just the birds eye view
They compared neural maturity within those regions. And as illustrated above, connectome isn't very useful for distinguishing male from female either.

>>11128596
>the last time a feminist researcher attempted this
That study has nothing to do with any of this.

>> No.11128630
Quoted By: >>11128642 >>11128665

>>11128619
>the vast majority had average levels of connectivity either way.
sure most people will be the same, but when we're looking at excellence in ability, ie those people who actually get into STEM, men dominante for a reason.

>They compared neural maturity within those regions.
for watching videos, not doing math.

>That study has nothing to do with any of this.
except that we can expect this study to be debunked just like that one.

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>>11128263
>functional magnetic resonance imaging
Easiest way to spot nonsensical undergrad tier bunk.

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Quoted By: >>11128645 >>11128650

>>11128630
>except that we can expect this study to be debunked just like that one.
different authors
different methodology
different claim

sorry, not logical
>>>/pol/

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Quoted By: >>11128665

>>11128642
>watching videos is the same as doing math
yeah in the trash it goes.

>> No.11128650
Quoted By: >>11128665

>>11128642
>another try hard attempt to make women better or equal to men

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Quoted By: >>11128676 >>11128685

>>11128630
>for watching videos, not doing math.
Neural maturity refers to physical development of new neurons, it has nothing to do with what the neuron is doing.

>>11128645
The idea is that if boys are better than girls at math, then they must learn math better.
If they learn math better, then there must be differences in how they learn at some point.
That is what this experiment attempted to tease out.
The results suggest that innate brain structure differences are not the root cause.

>>11128650
Actually, it was an attempt to narrow down just when the well-known, documented, factual differences between men and women might arise.

>> No.11128676

>>11128665
>The idea is that if boys are better than girls at math, then they must learn math better.
and that can only be tested by getting them to apply it, not seeing that the same regions of the brain light up when watching a video which is a very passive activity.

>That is what this experiment attempted to tease out.
and failed miserably.

>The results suggest that innate brain structure differences are not the root cause.
nope, that is a jumping to a conclusion where there is no evidence for it. lets see how the brain lights up when getting them to apply what they supposedly learned, then we can talk. till then this study is putting their assertions forward without the necessary evidence to back it up.

>> No.11128682

>>11128263
i'm a trans girl and i'm shit at math
i have to ask my bf how to do anything more complicated than integration

>> No.11128685

>>11128665
>Neural maturity refers to physical development of new neurons
and they were looking at the neuronal maturity of the neurons active while watching the videos.

>> No.11128690

>>11128288
You're a fucking pedophile. Nobody benefits from this shit except the pedos who got to see kids naked in the cold ass MRI coffin.

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Quoted By: >>11129002

>>11128297
>this 1% of males are different from that 1% of females, differences confirmed!!11
that connectome study is a shining example of academic dishonesty

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Quoted By: >>11129037

>>11128895
>1%
nope, more like sample average.

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Quoted By: >>11129067

>>11129002
>A behavioral study on the entire sample, of which this imaging study is a subset...
>These behavioral studies are carried out at a denser age sampling, which is not possible for the imaging studies because the sample size in the subgroups will be too small to identify meaningful differences.
nope, more like the average of cherrypicked samples
way to blow yourself out with your own image, brainlet

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4785904/
>The authors did not report the degree of overlap, but the reported T statistics and degrees of freedom indicate that the sexes overlapped by nearly 90% (figure 2d,e; see also [68]).

>> No.11129061

"The only way to learn mathematics is to do mathematics." -- Paul Halmos

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Quoted By: >>11130336

>>11129037
>more like the average of cherrypicked sample
>denser age sampling

>1%
>sexes overlapped by nearly 90%

>> No.11130336

>>11129067
beginners-tip: those differences matter and the differences are multiplied at the tail-ends

and 10% is a fairly big difference, if someone is 10% taller than you, you're not nearly the same height



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